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Post Neon Knight on Fri 8 Dec - 21:45

Suppose there were robots whose brains were functionally identical to human brains i.e. they could perform the same mental and emotional processing but through electronic circuitry instead of with biological cells and chemical transmitters. These robots would have built-in features which made them obey human voice commands such as 'go', 'stop', 'switch off', etc.

Would it be justifiable to keep such robots as slaves, switiching them on and off as we pleased and choosing when to electrically re-charge them? Or should the robots be free to look after themselves?

What other rights might they be granted?

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Post Vendég on Fri 8 Dec - 21:57

@Neon Knight wrote:Suppose there were robots whose brains were functionally identical to human brains i.e. they could perform the same mental and emotional processing but through electronic circuitry instead of with biological cells and chemical transmitters. These robots would have built-in features which made them obey human voice commands such as 'go', 'stop', 'switch off', etc.

Would it be justifiable to keep such robots as slaves, switiching them on and off as we pleased and choosing when to electrically re-charge them? Or should the robots be free to look after themselves?

What other rights might they be granted?

If they have "emotions" i would treat them as humans. This could be dangerous if they are very intelligent, but I think I'm too emotional, and I would treat them as human being. They would be "electric humans".

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Post Neon Knight on Fri 8 Dec - 22:12

Magyar Lány wrote:
@Neon Knight wrote:Suppose there were robots whose brains were functionally identical to human brains i.e. they could perform the same mental and emotional processing but through electronic circuitry instead of with biological cells and chemical transmitters. These robots would have built-in features which made them obey human voice commands such as 'go', 'stop', 'switch off', etc.

Would it be justifiable to keep such robots as slaves, switiching them on and off as we pleased and choosing when to electrically re-charge them? Or should the robots be free to look after themselves?

What other rights might they be granted?

If they have "emotions" i would treat them as humans. This could be dangerous if they are very intelligent, but I think I'm too emotional, and I would treat them as human being. They would be "electric humans".
That raises a key philosophical question. The robots would display emotions but how could we be sure they actually felt the emotions? Actually, how can we be sure other humans actually feel emotions? This is called 'the problem of other minds'.

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Post Vendég on Fri 8 Dec - 22:21

@Neon Knight wrote:
Magyar Lány wrote:
@Neon Knight wrote:Suppose there were robots whose brains were functionally identical to human brains i.e. they could perform the same mental and emotional processing but through electronic circuitry instead of with biological cells and chemical transmitters. These robots would have built-in features which made them obey human voice commands such as 'go', 'stop', 'switch off', etc.

Would it be justifiable to keep such robots as slaves, switiching them on and off as we pleased and choosing when to electrically re-charge them? Or should the robots be free to look after themselves?

What other rights might they be granted?

If they have "emotions" i would treat them as humans. This could be dangerous if they are very intelligent, but I think I'm too emotional, and I would treat them as human being. They would be "electric humans".
That raises a key philosophical question. The robots would display emotions but how could we be sure they actually felt the emotions? Actually, how can we be sure other humans actually feel emotions? This is called 'the problem of other minds'.

I wish i could be a mind reader. Most people is "fake", bc most of them is two-faced & hyprocrite, they simulate kindness & love according to their interests. Robots will simulate feelings and emotions like today most of the people. Everybody has emotions, only psychopats are exceptions.

Of course there are very lovely people, too.

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Post Vendég on Fri 8 Dec - 22:35

Maybe I don't understand this philosophical problem totally. I never will be able to feel what you feel, I just assume it based on your words, body language and behaviour.

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Post Neon Knight on Fri 8 Dec - 22:43

Magyar Lány wrote:Maybe I don't understand this philosophical problem totally. I never will be able to feel what you feel, I just assume it based on your words, body language and behaviour.
You understand it very well Smile 1 The assumption is very hard to test. Perhaps impossible to test. Maybe the robots would make a legal challenge using this argument.

By the way, I think psychopaths do have emotions but they cannot imagine how other people might feel - no empathy - so they are able to treat others ruthlessly, without guilt or pity.

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Post Vendég on Fri 8 Dec - 23:08

@Neon Knight wrote:
Magyar Lány wrote:Maybe I don't understand this philosophical problem totally. I never will be able to feel what you feel, I just assume it based on your words, body language and behaviour.
You understand it very well Smile 1  The assumption is very hard to test. Perhaps impossible to test. Maybe the robots would make a legal challenge using this argument.

By the way, I think psychopaths do have emotions but they cannot imagine how other people might feel - no empathy - so they are able to treat others ruthlessly, without guilt or pity.

Maybe you're right about psychopats.

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Post Aëlwenn on Sat 9 Dec - 17:40

I think they deserved the same right as humans, and I think we can accept humans who marrying with robots.
Every life on earth deserved same rights and respect.
So do you considered robots as living creature ?
For me, yes. What about you ?
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Post Sary on Sat 9 Dec - 17:47

@Aëlwenn wrote:I think they deserved the same right as humans, and I think we can accept humans who marrying with robots.
Every life on earth deserved same rights and respect.
So do you considered robots as living creature ?
For me, yes. What about you ?

I know,right ... we better be nice to the robots,before get mad at us and make us their slaves!
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Post Neon Knight on Sat 9 Dec - 21:15

@Aëlwenn wrote:I think they deserved the same right as humans, and I think we can accept humans who marrying with robots.
Every life on earth deserved same rights and respect.
So do you considered robots as living creature ?
For me, yes. What about you ?
I remember in biology at school, a living thing was defined by GRIMNER (I didn't remember every part but I found it on the web):

1) Growth - permanent increase in size
2) Reproduction - ability to produce offspring
3) Irritability - the ability to detect and respond to stimuli (changes in the environment)
4) Movement - ability to change the position of the whole or part of the body
5) Nutrition
6) Excretion - removal of metabolic waste
7) Respiration - ability to release energy from food

A metal and plastic robot would not qualify as a living thing by GRIMNER, but does life have to be carbon-based? I think if a metal and plastic robot had a silicon chip computer brain which could do everything a human brain could do then we would have to give it equal status to humans.

But highly inteligent robots 'set free' would be able to reproduce and improve themselves and they could turn against humans, as sci-fi writers have imagined. I think it would be a very unpredictable and dangerous situation.

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Post Sary on Mon 11 Dec - 22:40

I could never think of a robot the same that I would a human being. We are not God ,we are making machines not people.
It is prevented to me to even imagine married to a robot...very weird.
It is a grey area when considering the different types of technology that can be implanted into a human body. A hybrid man and machine,no sickness no death ,but at what price?
At what point does one become post human?
Do feel that you were born insufficient?


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It has been argued that in transhumanist thought humans attempt to substitute themselves for God. This approach is exemplified by the 2002 Vatican statement Communion and Stewardship: Human Persons Created in the Image of God,[96] in which it is stated that, "Changing the genetic identity of man as a human person through the production of an infrahuman being is radically immoral", implying, as it would, that "man has full right of disposal over his own biological nature". At the same time, this statement argues that creation of a superhuman or spiritually superior being is "unthinkable", since true improvement can come only through religious experience and "realizing more fully the image of God". Christian theologians and lay activists of several churches and denominations have expressed similar objections to transhumanism and claimed that Christians attain in the afterlife what radical transhumanism promises, such as indefinite life extension or the abolition of suffering. In this view, transhumanism is just another representative of the long line of utopian movements which seek to create Heaven on earth.
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Post Vendég on Mon 11 Dec - 22:58

@Sary wrote:I could never think of a robot the same that I would a human being.  We are not God ,we are making machines not people.
It is prevented to me to even imagine married to a robot...very weird.
It is a grey area when considering the different types of technology that can be implanted into a human body. A hybrid man and machine,no sickness no death ,but at what price?
At what point does one become post human?
Do feel that you were born insufficient?


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It has been argued that in transhumanist thought humans attempt to substitute themselves for God. This approach is exemplified by the 2002 Vatican statement Communion and Stewardship: Human Persons Created in the Image of God,[96] in which it is stated that, "Changing the genetic identity of man as a human person through the production of an infrahuman being is radically immoral", implying, as it would, that "man has full right of disposal over his own biological nature". At the same time, this statement argues that creation of a superhuman or spiritually superior being is "unthinkable", since true improvement can come only through religious experience and "realizing more fully the image of God". Christian theologians and lay activists of several churches and denominations have expressed similar objections to transhumanism and claimed that Christians attain in the afterlife what radical transhumanism promises, such as indefinite life extension or the abolition of suffering. In this view, transhumanism is just another representative of the long line of utopian movements which seek to create Heaven on earth.

Marrying a robot is really a bizarre idea. Smile 1

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Post Neon Knight on Mon 11 Dec - 23:28

A scene from a famous film Smile 1


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@Neon Knight wrote:A scene from a famous film Smile 1


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Post Sary on Wed 13 Dec - 0:31

@Neon Knight wrote:A scene from a famous film Smile 1


A cult classic for sure,the remake with Nicole Kidman was pretty good too.

I remember A.I as being a very sentimental ,beautiful film,one I would not mind watching again.
A real tear jerker ...those poor robots!


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