Cheddar Man lightened - where could he pass?

Sary wrote:I think that he looks Slavic,cute nice blue eyes and a very deep tan.
He is probably so dark and rugged looking from being outside all of the time.
Northern Europe was considerably warmer 10,000 years ago,then it is today.
http://dandebat.dk/eng-klima7.htm

OsricPearl wrote:

Sary wrote:I think that he looks Slavic,cute nice blue eyes and a very deep tan.
He is probably so dark and rugged looking from being outside all of the time.
Northern Europe was considerably warmer 10,000 years ago,then it is today.
http://dandebat.dk/eng-klima7.htm

WHG were probably darker than modern Euroes, but not that dark. I think this stinks of having an agenda.

Sary wrote:

OsricPearl wrote:WHG were probably darker than modern Euroes, but not that dark. I think this stinks of having an agenda.

I can not figure out what the acronym WHG stands for....white human genome?

Sary wrote:Human beings no matter what race share the same DNA.  I think that Caucasian people probably evolved from a desirable mutation.

Our body is only a shell,what matters is what is in the inside.
Being colored is fashionable now, it is no wonder they made cheddar man dark, which is really dumb if you ask me.

https://web.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/minorities.shtml

"DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other."

Is my cat a purebred Siamese cat or not? I'm just curious I got this cat and she looks extremely like a Siamese with the blue eyes and the paw pads a darkish pink.
       
She looks too long haired and stocky to be a pure Siamese, maybe she's got some Birman in her. Without any papers she's technically a moggie, but she is gorgeous.

Neon Knight wrote:

Sary wrote:

OsricPearl wrote:WHG were probably darker than modern Euroes, but not that dark. I think this stinks of having an agenda.

I can not figure out what the acronym WHG stands for....white human genome?

I thought you wouldn't know what that meant I used to have to look up these things as well. Western Hunter-Gatherer. This is a genetic plot showing prehistoric populations compared to modern ones:

Neon Knight wrote:

Sary wrote:Human beings no matter what race share the same DNA.  I think that Caucasian people probably evolved from a desirable mutation.

Our body is only a shell,what matters is what is in the inside.
Being colored is fashionable now, it is no wonder they made cheddar man dark, which is really dumb if you ask me.

https://web.ornl.gov/sci/techresources/Human_Genome/elsi/minorities.shtml

"DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity. People who have lived in the same geographic region for many generations may have some alleles in common, but no allele will be found in all members of one population and in no members of any other."

The sentence I've emboldened is just not true. A DNA test such as 23andMe can consistently distinguish between ancestry from different continents. To be honest, I once saw someone who was half Arab get classed as almost entirely European, but Levantines are close to southern Euros to begin with. There's no way the test would confuse European ancestry with Native American, South Asian, East Asian or African.

A biologist will say there are no sub-races because sub-race is partially a psycho-social concept as well as a genetic one. In this respect humans are similar to cats. I just found this conversation on a pet forum:

Is my cat a purebred Siamese cat or not? I'm just curious I got this cat and she looks extremely like a Siamese with the blue eyes and the paw pads a darkish pink.
       
She looks too long haired and stocky to be a pure Siamese, maybe she's got some Birman in her. Without any papers she's technically a moggie, but she is gorgeous.

Now imagine they were talking about a person . . .

"Is my new friend a pure European or not? He looks extremely German with his blue eyes and light skin."
       
"His face looks the wrong shape to be a pure European, maybe he's got some Chinese in him. Without any proof I'd say he's mixed."

It could be argued that there is no such thing as genetic European because Europeans blend into West Asians but we find it useful to talk about different colours even though red blends into orange into yellow into green etc.

Spoiler:

Dr Chris Stringer explained to viewers that Cheddar Man’s genetic profile was very similar to the ancient specimens found in Europe, such as in Loschbour in Luxemburg, the Hungarian ones, the 7,000-year one in La Brana Arintero in Spain and the other in Germany. These, too, are believed to have the combination of dark skin and blue eyes. They are labelled ‘Western European Hunter-Gatherers’ and believed to have spread across Europe after the last Ice Age thawed some 10K years ago, migrating from the Middle East . . .