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Post Neon Knight on Thu 2 Nov - 19:19

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171102/poles-launch-petition-against-french-plan-to-axe-cross-in-breton-town Quoting:

Nearly 37,000 people signed an online petition as of Thursday protesting against a French court order to remove a cross from a statue of the late Polish-born Pope John Paul II in Brittany, western France. The petition, launched on the CitizenGo website four days ago, "opposes the removal of the cross from a public space and emphasises the Christian roots of Europe".
 
It is addressed to the European Parliament, the centre-right European People's Party and the European Court of Human Rights.
 
Controversy erupted last week when France's top administrative court gave the town of Ploermel six months to remove the cross above a papal statue in a public square in a bid to comply with laws enforcing the secular nature of public spaces. Although the statue of the late pontiff itself is not in question, the court's move drew ire in heavily Roman Catholic Poland where the Polish-born saint is widely revered and religious symbols are not restricted by law.

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Rightwing Prime Minister Beata Szydlo offered last weekend to move the statue to Poland to "save it from censorship", calling John Paul II "a great European" symbolising a "united Christian Europe". Szydlo added that "the dictate of the political correctness -- the secularization of the state -- opens the door to values   that are culturally alien to us and that lead to Europeans being terrorized in their daily lives".
 
Gifted [Ouch! "Given" - NK] to Ploermel by the Georgian-born Russian artist Zourab Tseretel, the statue which features a cross on the arch framing it, was installed in a public square in October 2006.

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Post Aëlwenn on Fri 3 Nov - 17:53

Hmm, I know this village.
So you have to know that in France, the 1905 law of the separation of church and state forbids the construction of new religious symbols on the public space, it does not concern places of worship.
Any religious sign before 1905 is not destroyed of course.
The problem is that this cross dates from after 1905, and therefore does not respect the law.

Taking the roots of Europe as a pretext is stupid, because in this case, the true roots of Europe date from before Christianity, and it is fully paganism, the worship of many gods that mark the beginning of Europe.
Small apart, France is one of the most atheistic countries in the world, for my greatest happiness.
I think that in 2017, these religious issues do not have to do.
With scientific, technological and societal progress, religion must remain, within advanced and developed societies, like that of the West, something very secondary and entirely private.

The real problem is Poland, and the will of its government the big guys.
Poland is not loving, rightly so.
Let me explain, the country has been pulled out of poverty thanks to European funding, the tax of every EU citizen.
The country to make the most of European money, while siphoning off part of their job market (one of Brexit's reasons).
Poland has received huge financial support from other EU members to bring its army to modern standart.
And where everyone in Europe thought that Poland would buy European equipment, from Airbus, EADS, Dassault, Safran, BAE System, etc. etc., they buy only Americans.
They preferred to work the US market rather than factories in Germany, France, UK, Spain.
Basically, we give money unconditionally to the Polish who, instead of giving back, thanks us by buying from our competitors.
It is extremely serious and many in Europe do not forgive it.


About the Polish workers who flood the other European countries, the French President Macron (who we like or not) trying to convince each country to reform the issue on a European scale.
Poland refuses, playing the big arms, to finally lose because the reform is to accept, even if they can do better.

There is an article in Der Spiegel, where the journalist finds the attitude of Poland disturbing.
So, before that, it was already arrogant towards other countries, even towards the Big4 Europe (Germany France UK Italy), four countries in the 10 richest countries in the world, and among the 7 most industrialized and among the most advanced / developed of the planet.
And, with all the respect I have for the Polish people, it is very far from the case of Poland. Not that other countries do not have their words to say outside the G20, but that the attitude to have led to more respect rather than contempt.

The last point is that Poland wants to assert its influence in the Baltic area, but that if one day the big Russian bear decides to show the muscles, it will come crying in the skirts of the EU and NATO, which its members precisely the European countries.

In short, a pavement to say that this is once again, a typically contemporary act of Polish mentality that begins to annoy more and more.
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