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Post Neon Knight on Fri 14 Jun - 23:13

@OsricPearl wrote:I don't understand. You live in an island. You don't need anymore people. Scratching Don't they care about the environment and all of that?
Strangely, the fact that over-crowding is putting more pressure on the environment is not often mentioned in immigration debates (when we have them), even by the Greens. The argument is mostly about what immigrants are or are not contributing to the economy. Some parts of the economy have become dependent on cheap labour from immigrants which obviously suits some business owners. And the Governmemt would seem to prefer to hire foreign doctors for the National Health Service than train our own people. It's all very short-sighted.




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Post OsricPearl on Mon 17 Jun - 2:53

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@OsricPearl wrote:I don't understand. You live in an island. You don't need anymore people. Scratching Don't they care about the environment and all of that?
Strangely, the fact that over-crowding is putting more pressure on the environment is not often mentioned in immigration debates (when we have them), even by the Greens. The argument is mostly about what immigrants are or are not contributing to the economy. Some parts of the economy have become dependent on cheap labour from immigrants which obviously suits some business owners. And the Governmemt would seem to prefer to hire foreign doctors for the National Health Service than train our own people. It's all very short-sighted.

We are having the same problem here in the US with IT and Medicine. The Medical community conspired to bring more foreign doctors to lower wages. This was revealed this year sometime, with an leaked internal memo. Higher wages were a "problem." Suspect
The thing is that medical care is just as expensive now as it would be anyway, so what benefit did it give me? Bad Mood




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Post Neon Knight on Mon 17 Jun - 20:19

The closest to a mainstream anti-mmigration campaign we've got is the organisation Migration Watch, headed by Lord Green, a former diplomat. He recently posted this article on a Conservative supporting website:
https://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2019/06/andrew-green-debating-immigration-has-been-marginal-to-this-leadership-election-that-should-change.html

"The situation is certainly serious. Annual net migration into the UK has averaged nearly 300,000 over the past five years – that is roughly the population of Newcastle. Yet, until Labour came to power in 1997, net migration was never more than 50,000 a year and was sometimes negative. Since 2010, nine years of Conservative Government have failed to get a grip on it, as the graph below clearly indicates.

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The implications and consequences for our future are stark. A level of net migration continuing at present levels would take our population from about 66 million today to 100 million by the end of the century. Yet . . . achieving the Conservatives’ promise of reducing net migration to 100,000 a year would restrain the increase in our population to between 70 and 75 million.

As I have already suggested, the character and nature of our society are already being changed without the consent of the majority of our population, three quarters of whom support the reduction of net migration levels to the ‘tens of thousands’."


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Post Neon Knight on Tue 6 Aug - 9:55

The graph above is reflected in this one:

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Post Neon Knight on Wed 29 Jan - 22:50

Daily Mail, 24th January 2020:

MORE than 60 migrants were picked up in the Channel in just 24 hours despite a Home Office pledge to virtually eliminate the crossings by spring.

Eleven were rescued by French authorities yesterday after a boat, which had engine failure, was detected near Calais at 1:45 am. Ten of the passengers had mild hypothermia while one was said to be in a more serious condition after travelling in temperatures of 5C (41F).

It came after four boats carrying a total of 50 migrants were intercepted by the British and French authorities on Wednesday. It is not known how many of the 50 were brought to British soil, but the 11 passengers found yesterday were returned to Calais.

Priti Patel had pledged to halve the number of migrant crossings by October last year, but the numbers continue to soar. More than 1,850 were intercepted while illegally crossing the Channel last year, compared with just 297 in 2018.




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Post OsricPearl on Thu 30 Jan - 3:55

What the Britts need to start doing is expelling "Migrants" by the buss load. But I'm afraid that the establishment doesn't have the nadds.

Now that Brexit is happening, how much more control do you think you'll have on the borders?




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Post Neon Knight on Thu 30 Jan - 23:51

@OsricPearl wrote:Now that Brexit is happening, how much more control do you think you'll have on the borders
By the end of 2020 we will legally have full border control, but how well the government will use that control is another matter. The current plan is to limit economic immigration to people with high-earning jobs to come to, but some groups are advising that the earnings limit should be lower, and there'll be easier rules for doctors and nurses, and then there are migrants who come by 'family reunion' rules. Like you say, I can't see them getting very tough on illegals and asylum seekers but about 93% of all our immigration is legal. I reckon net migration will have fallen a bit in a few years' time but by nowhere near the amount it needs to, so it will return as a major issue at the next general election. Scotland has said it wants to be able to set its own immigration laws but that's not going to happen.




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Post OsricPearl on Fri 31 Jan - 16:08

@Neon Knight wrote:
@OsricPearl wrote:Now that Brexit is happening, how much more control do you think you'll have on the borders
By the end of 2020 we will legally have full border control, but how well the government will use that control is another matter. The current plan is to limit economic immigration to people with high-earning jobs to come to, but some groups are advising that the earnings limit should be lower, and there'll be easier rules for doctors and nurses, and then there are migrants who come by 'family reunion' rules. Like you say, I can't see them getting very tough on illegals and asylum seekers but about 93% of all our immigration is legal. I reckon net migration will have fallen a bit in a few years' time but by nowhere near the amount it needs to, so it will return as a major issue at the next general election. Scotland has said it wants to be able to set its own immigration laws but that's not going to happen.

Family reunion laws are a scam. They should be scrapped altogether. Doctors and nurses should be mostly locals, as these are jobs that require a great deal of empathy. Humans, being tribal, are much more likely to empathize with a person of the same in-group. I'm sorry, but it's true.




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Post Neon Knight on Tue 11 Feb - 23:46

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/press-release/603/reports-of-a-reduction-in-the-visa-salary-threshold-for-skilled-migrant-workers Quoting:

Alp Mehmet, Chairman of Migration Watch UK, said:

"Reports in the Sunday press claim that a complex points system and a minimum salary of £25,600 are to be the basis of the post-Brexit immigration regime. But the reality is that these proposals are likely to provide easy routes for employers to bring in unlimited numbers paying as little as £17,920 per year without even advertising jobs in the UK first.

No mention of any limits or of any intention to reduce overall net migration. This is bad news for home-grown workers and for training our own, and hugely disappointing to the 30 million people who were looking for lower levels of immigration. There is little hope of this if such measures are introduced.

The government has clearly caved in to seductive pleas and huge pressure from employers who stand to benefit most from the continuing flow of cheaper labour."




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