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Post Sary Mon 16 Mar - 15:46

The situation concerning COVID continues to evolve here in the USA. The hospital that I work at identified the first case over the weekend. We have cancelled all outpatient procedures for the rest of the week and are taking every possible precaution to keep ourselves and patients safe.  We are still expected to report to work and care for in patients as needed. I give a lot of credit to the doctors and nurses who are caring for the infected. They are our true heroes.
I would be lying if I said that I am not concerned about myself or a loved one contracting this virus. Thinking about it is giving me anxiety and depression.  It is psychological torture.
I can’t imagine that things are going to return to
“normal”  anytime soon, at the very least maybe by mid summer.

It is encouraging to learn that new cases in China are slowing. Hopefully with all of the restrictions and precautions being implemented COVID will begin to lose its deadly grip.




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Post Neon Knight Tue 17 Mar - 1:18

I became worried on Saturday when I saw some empty shelves in my local supermarket (idiotic panic buyers) and doubly worried yesterday when I read more about the issue. It feels somewhat unreal, like being in a TV disaster film. Now I've adopted a defensive attitude and feel a bit better.

TIP: make sure you get enough vitamin D to maximise your immune system.

More news from the BBC:

Germany and France have imposed stringent new measures to limit social contact as countries across Europe try to stem the spread of the coronavirus.

French President Emmanuel Macron announced an enforced lockdown, a step similar to curbs imposed by Italy and Spain, saying: "We're in a health war". Mr Macron also said the European Union's external borders would be closed to travellers from Tuesday.

In Germany, most non-grocery shops and venues have been ordered to shut. Chancellor Angela Merkel also banned religious services and told people to cancel any domestic or foreign holiday travel. Schools across the country have already been shut.

In the UK, Prime Minister Boris Johnson did not announce compulsory restrictions but urged people to avoid pubs and clubs and refrain from non-essential travel or having contact with others.

Spain will start controls at land borders at midnight on Monday and only Spanish citizens, residents and special cases will be allowed in the country. The Spanish government imposed a partial lockdown on its 47 million inhabitants on Saturday, as part of a 15-day state of emergency. People are barred from leaving home except buy essential supplies and medicines, or for work.

Italy, the worst-affected nation outside China, where the virus originated, has more than 20,000 cases and has suffered more than 1,800 deaths. Prime Minister Guiseppe Conte told the Corriere della Sera newspaper that damage from the virus would be "serious and widespread", adding: "After the coronavirus, nothing will be as before, we will have to sit down and rewrite the rules of trade and the free market". . .

* Greece is shutting all shops, bars, chemists and petrol stations and putting all arrivals from abroad into quarantine for 14 days

* The Czech authorities sealed off an area in the east of the country - Unicov, Cervenka and Litovel

* Poland suspended all domestic flights, following similar moves on international air and rail travel

* Georgia banned all foreigners from entering the country

* Serbia declared a state of emergency

* Ukraine's capital Kyiv to shut restaurants, cafes and bars from Tuesday and restricted movement to other towns

* Poland, the Czech Republic and Denmark have already closed borders or introduced severe restrictions




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Post Sary Tue 17 Mar - 19:55

In the wake of this pandemic, I am surprised that the UK is being so slow with closing schools and universities. I read an article about Boris Johnson's herd immunity plan and how he was hoping to avoid a resurgence of COVID-19. I am glad that he is abandoning this idea, as it would result in many unnecessary deaths.
The best thing we can do is try to contain this highly contagious virus before it gets out of control and overwhelms hospitals and with sick people.
A defensive attitude is one way to deal with fear and anxiety, I truely admire people that are strong like that.

Taking vitamin D is very good tip, it boosts your immune system as well as helps with depression. I have been taking 5000 iu /day for many years.
Without supplements my levels fall very low.




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Post OsricPearl Wed 18 Mar - 3:45

21,000 cases! Good wow Italy is getting rocked! Crying




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Post Neon Knight Thu 19 Mar - 1:25

Sary wrote:In the wake of this pandemic, I am surprised that the UK is being so slow with closing schools and universities.  I read an article about Boris Johnson's herd immunity plan and how he was hoping to avoid a resurgence of COVID-19. I am glad that he is abandoning this idea, as it would result in many unnecessary deaths.
The best thing we can do is try to contain this highly contagious virus before it gets out of control and overwhelms hospitals and with sick people.
I wasn't comfortable with the government's original policy, but I can't really argue with a group of scientific experts who have all the data. At least they are being flexible and reacting to developments.

I went into a shop tonight and people were not observing the two metre distance rule. A nearby supermarket store was turning people away because it was crowded inside.

The infection rate in my area is very low at present. We should keep informed but I think paying a lot of attention to all the negative news makes things worse.


EDIT: This is a refreshing angle - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8119403/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-ISIS-elf-n-safety-advice-wash-hand.html  Quoting:

Like most of you, I'm still trying to gauge the seriousness of this pandemic. Frankly, despite having read every expert opinion, every Q&A, I'm none the wiser. Expect the worst, hope for the best seems to be the official plan. We've never been here before. Or, at least, not that we're aware. So I was struck by a letter in the Daily Telegraph, from a retired doctor, Dr George Birdwood, of Shipton Moyne, Gloucestershire, who qualified in 1953. It deserves a wider audience:

"I have been reflecting on how we would have reacted to a coronavirus epidemic in those days. The answer is not at all, for three main reasons.

The Covid-19 virus could not have been identified rapidly enough, if at all. Most cases would have been too mild to attract attention in this season of coughs and sneezes. And the small proportion of deaths among elderly people with chronic respiratory disease would have remained much as usual for the time of year. It follows that there would have been no alarm or counter-measures. International trade and travel would have carried on as usual. World stock markets would not have collapsed. And governments would not have needed to get involved.

As it is today, we know too much about the coronavirus for our own good, but almost nothing about treating its victims or preventing its spread. Sometimes a little knowledge really can be a dangerous thing.

I'm not advocating complacency, but I do worry what we're seeing right now is well-intentioned over-reaction."




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Post Sary Fri 20 Mar - 22:12

Grocery stores are not limiting how many people are allowed in at a time, but they do have special early morning hours for people 60 years and older. Limiting the number of people makes sense, easier to keep a safe distance.
I stopped today after work to pick up a few things  and there was plenty of food available.  No toilet tissue of course and a limited variety of meat but other than that the shelves were stocked.  The store was not too crowded, some people were wearing surgical gloves.

Who knows for how long this will all last.  People are going to get stir crazy, how will they make people self quarantine?
It feels like marshal law will be coming next, this is part of my anxiety, not just catching the disease.




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Post Neon Knight Sat 21 Mar - 23:12

Sary wrote:Grocery stores are not limiting how many people are allowed in at a time, but they do have special early morning hours for people 60 years and older. Limiting the number of people makes sense, easier to keep a safe distance.
I stopped today after work to pick up a few things  and there was plenty of food available.  No toilet tissue of course and a limited variety of meat but other than that the shelves were stocked. The store was not too crowded, some people were wearing surgical gloves.

Who knows for how long this will all last. People are going to get stir crazy, how will they make people self quarantine?
It feels like marshal law will be coming next, this is part of my anxiety, not just catching the disease.
Things were virtually normal in the town centre on Friday; it's the out-of-town supermarkets where the panic buying is happening. I'm not worried much for myself, but for the elderly. Governments cannot keep large parts of the economy subdued for more than three or four months and I think restrictions will eventually be relaxed whatever happens.

The article below is important. It makes the point that they don't know how many of the people who've died from Wuflu would have died anyway from other illnesses.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654  Excerpt:
Every year more than 500,000 people die in England and Wales: factor in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and the figure tops 600,000. The coronavirus deaths will not be on top of this. Many would be within this "normal" number of expected deaths. In short, they would have died anyway. It was a point conceded by Sir Patrick at a press conference on Thursday when he said there would be "some overlap" between coronavirus deaths and expected deaths - he just did not know how much of an overlap.




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Post Neon Knight Sun 22 Mar - 17:21

If the current total death rate (normal + that from CVD19) for Italy continued for a year, it would lose about 1.1% of its population. For comparison, the medieval Black Death wiped out approximately 40% of all Europeans in four years.




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Post OsricPearl Tue 24 Mar - 2:31

Neon Knight wrote:If the current total death rate (normal + that from CVD19) for Italy continued for a year, it would lose about 1.1% of its population. For comparison, the medieval Black Death wiped out approximately 40% of all Europeans in four years.

The seriousness of this disease is massively overblown. People who are in danger should be protected, but those who are not should be allowed to be free. There may be an increase of medical use but most will ride out the virus (if they get sick from it - which most don't), at home.




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Post Neon Knight Tue 24 Mar - 11:06

OsricPearl wrote:The seriousness of this disease is massively overblown. People who are in danger should be protected, but those who are not should be allowed to be free. There may be an increase of medical use but most will ride out the virus (if they get sick from it - which most don't), at home.
The politicians are definitely not putting things in proportion and they seem to want to cause alarm. The key question: how many of these CVD19 linked deaths would have happened anyway within a few weeks? Either they don't know or they're not saying.

“On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12% of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88% of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity - many had two or three,” - Professor Walter Ricciardi

BBC website:

France has begun a two-month health emergency, tightening restrictions on movement. Exercise is now only allowed outside for an hour and within 1km (about half a mile) of your home.

Germany has reported a steep increase in the number of cases. The Robert Koch Institute says 27,436 people have Covid-19, a rise of 4,800 in 24 hours. This may include cases over the weekend. The biggest increase was in Baden-Württemberg state. RKI says 114 have died. Meanwhile, a plane carrying eight infected patients from Italy landed in Leipzig overnight for treatment.

Italy’s civil protection head says as many as 600,000 people have been infected, almost 10 times the official figure. The rate of increase in new cases and deaths has begun to fall and Angelo Borrelli has told La Repubblica “in the next few hours… we will understand if the growth curve really is flattening out”.

Doctors in the Swiss ski resort of Verbier have asked for the entire town to be put into quarantine, saying it has become a “hub” for infections. One doctor estimates up to 60% of the town is infected. The local authority says national restrictions are sufficient and quarantine is not a solution.

Spain has so far seen the majority of its 35,000 cases in Madrid and three other areas in the north. After the army found the bodies of care home residents in their beds, nursing homes have been told to tell the authorities immediately if they have a problem.

The Netherlands has banned all gatherings of three or more people until June.

A report from Belgium says the authorities destroyed six million surgical masks in 2019 as they were past their expiry date. The health minister is facing criticism because they were not replaced in time for this pandemic.




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Post Neon Knight Thu 26 Mar - 9:54

A graphic perspective. The black bar is the normal proportion of average deaths per day, and the other bars show the average increase in deaths per day from CVD19. This assumes that all those extra deaths were mainly caused by the virus (they probably were not).

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The real problem is that the virus is concentrated in certain areas and putting a strain on city and regional health services.




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Post Neon Knight Fri 27 Mar - 17:53

CVD19 is reckoned to be about twice as infectious from one person as normal flu. They just don't know what the mortality rate is; in China it has varied from 0.4% to 8%. In Germany it's currently 0.7%.

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html




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Post Neon Knight Sat 28 Mar - 11:24

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Since the start of 2020, CVD19 linked deaths have increased the normal number of deaths by the following:

UK +0.5%
ITALY +6.0%

That's assuming none of those deaths would otherwise have occurred, and probably about half of them would have.




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Post Sary Sat 28 Mar - 16:23

Neon Knight wrote:CVD19 is reckoned to be about twice as infectious from one person as normal flu. They just don't know what the mortality rate is; in China it has varied from 0.4% to 8%. In Germany it's currently 0.7%.

https://www.livescience.com/new-coronavirus-compare-with-flu.html

It is very scary how virulent and transmissible the COVID virus is, it is like nothing that we have ever seen before. Even though the mortality rate is low, the morbidity rate is very high. In this way, it is unlike the usual strains of flu that we are use to dealing with.
Permanent lung damage is often seen after recovery whether young or old.

We are bracing here for the worst, the peak of the curve expected in about 3 weeks.

The department that I work on is slated to become a COVID floor if need be.
There is talk of "deploying" us techs to different job description....what ever that means.




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