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Post Jehan I Thu 6 Jul - 22:14

I respect the nature without being a green extremist but it still dificult to agree with everything the FN said.
That's the reason I support Dupont Aignan. He seems more competent, more modern (in the good sense) and able to change things.
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Post Neon Knight Thu 20 Sep - 21:09

Wikipedia:

At the conclusion of the party congress in Lille on 11 March 2018, Marine Le Pen proposed renaming the party to Rassemblement national (National Rally), while keeping the flame as its logo. The new name was put to a vote of party members. Rassemblement national has already been the name of a French party, led by the extreme-right lawyer Jean-Louis Tixier-Vignancour. Its presidential campaign in 1965 was managed by Jean-Marie Le Pen. On 1 June, Le Pen announced that the name change was approved by party adherents with 80.81% in favour.




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Post Neon Knight Thu 20 Sep - 21:15

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45590963 Quoting:

A French court has ordered far-right leader Marine Le Pen to undergo psychiatric tests as part of an inquiry into her sharing images of Islamic State group atrocities. Ms Le Pen tweeted pictures of the court order, calling the move "crazy".

She posted the images back in 2015, including one showing the decapitated body of IS victim James Foley. She has been stripped of her immunity as a parliamentarian and she could still face a fine or even jail.

. . . According to the document posted by Ms Le Pen, the judge wants the tests to determine if she suffers mental illness or is "capable of understanding remarks and answering questions".

"It's crazy," Ms Le Pen tweeted. "This regime is really starting to be frightening."

She later told reporters she had no intention of submitting to the assessment. Prosecutors told Le Parisien newspaper the request was standard procedure.

Ms Le Pen sparked an outcry when she posted the images, which she shared in response to a journalist who drew a comparison between IS and her party. The other images showed a tank running over a man in an orange jumpsuit, while another jumpsuit-clad man was shown in a cage being burned alive.

The case against her stems from French laws against circulating "violent messages that incite terrorism or pornography or seriously harm human dignity" and that can be viewed by a minor.




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Post Neon Knight Mon 15 Oct - 21:34

Quite a long article which I'll just make a few quotes from:

https://unherd.com/2018/10/marine-le-pen-populist-will-never-win-popular-vote/

French translation: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=en&tl=fr&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Funherd.com%2F2018%2F10%2Fmarine-le-pen-populist-will-never-win-popular-vote%2F&edit-text=&act=url

"Marine Le Pen gives the impression – both in public and in interviews and private conversations – of being a rather pleasant saleswoman and TV host. It is difficult to dislike her. It is also difficult finally to take her seriously. She is a good public speaker. She usually performs well on TV. She has had some success in her campaign to “de-demonise” the FN/RN.  Her defeat last year should not disguise the fact that she managed to persuade over 30 per cent of French voters to cast a ballot for a hard-right candidate – far more than her father ever achieved.

But she is also responsible for two big failures. The first is the incoherence of her economic programme, which Macron joyfully exploded live on TV. The second, more surprisingly to non-French readers perhaps, is her failure to turn the FN/RN into a genuine grass-roots party.

. . . Marine Le Pen will not go away easily or soon. She is stubborn and, in any case, the family business is the family business.

Some things are going her way. Macron is less popular than the unpopular François Hollande was at the same stage of his presidency. The new leader of the main centre-right party, Les Républicains, Laurent Wauquiez has set out to steal the ex-FN’s clothes and voters. He has failed. His poll ratings are disastrous. Her clever niece Marion, who was emerging strongly as rival to her aunt, has given up politics, for the time being at least.

. . . Marine Le Pen, barring an unforeseeable development, will be the RN presidential candidate in four years’ time. She will, once again, be one of the top three or four candidates jostling to reach the two candidate second round. Her best chance of ultimate victory – would be a Mélenchon v Le Pen run off in May 2022. This is highly unlikely since the hard left and hard right electorates overlap, especially in post-industrial and rural France.

In any case, the French two round system permits insurgent candidates in the first round but stacks the odds against them in the second. Unless you are an insurgent of the centre like Emmanuel Macron, the rest of the electorate tends to combine against you."




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Post Neon Knight Sun 11 Nov - 22:27

And now . . .

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-polls-far-right-marine-le-pen-ahead-macron-rise-europe-en-marche-eu-elections-a8616776.html  Quoting:

In a further sign of the rise of the far right across Europe, Marine Le Pen’s Rassemblement National (RN) has overtaken French president Emmanuel Macron’s La République En Marche! (LREM) party in a poll. The Ifop poll of voting intentions for the May 2019 European Parliament elections showed the RN rising from 17% at the end of August to 21% now, moving ahead of the LREM on 20% for the first time.

The RN’s 21%, combined with the 7% of Nicolas Dupont-Aignan’s Debout La France (Stand up France) party and one per cent each for Florian Philippot’s Les Patriotes and François Asselineau’s pro-“Frexit” Popular Republican Union gave far-right parties a combined 30% total. This was up five percentage points from 25% of voting intentions at the end of August.

Sunday’s poll provides striking evidence that France has shifted towards the far right since Macron easily beat Le Pen, leading what was then known as the Front National, in the second round of voting in the 2017 French presidential election. It also gives further cause to believe that the European Parliament elections in 2019 are shaping up to be a major battle between centrist, pro-EU parties such as Macron’s LREM, and far-right formations that want to stop immigration and globalisation.

The European elections will come after a year in which the anti-immigrant Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) party came to be represented in all 16 of Germany’s state parliaments, and the far-right Sweden Democrats made significant gains in that country’s 2018 general election. In Italy, a new far-right coalition took power at the end of May, offering plans for mass deportations of undocumented migrants, launching a “census” of the country’s Roma traveller population, and in October promising to make “ethnic” shops close at 9pm. And in Hungary Viktor Orban, who has presented himself as a defender of Europe against Muslim migrants, won a third term in office as prime minister in an April 2018 election.

In France, although Macron beat Le Pen in the 2017 presidential election by 66 to 34%, his victory margin was significantly slimmer than in 2002 when widespread horror at Marine’s father Jean-Marie making it to the second round produced a 82 to 18% landslide for Jacques Chirac. And since being elected president, Macron has been damaged by the brusque departure of two high-profile ministers, while a summer scandal over his bodyguard has combined with high unemployment and taxes to produce increasing discontent. In a spate of recent polls, Mr Macron has dropped so sharply in popularity that he dipped even below his much-derided predecessor, the socialist François Hollande.




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Post OsricPearl Tue 13 Nov - 3:43

This rise of Le Penn could be the reason he went on his rant about how nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. I think it's interesting how the left likes to change the meaning of words to suit their purpose. Patriotism and Nationalism are essentially the same things, but you wouldn't know that talking to them.
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Post Neon Knight Tue 13 Nov - 18:53

OsricPearl wrote:This rise of Le Penn could be the reason he went on his rant about how nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. I think it's interesting how the left likes to change the meaning of words to suit their purpose. Patriotism and Nationalism are essentially the same things, but you wouldn't know that talking to them.

Describing himself as a patriot, Macron said: “Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. In saying ‘our interests first, whatever happens to the others,’ you erase the most precious thing a nation can have, that which makes it live, that which causes it to be great and that which is most important: its moral values. Old demons are resurfacing. History sometimes threatens to take its tragic course again and compromise our hope of peace. Let us vow to prioritise peace over everything.”
(The Guardian, Nov 11th)

And they always paint nationalism as necessarily an extreme position. But putting your own country first obviously doesn't mean you stop cooperating with and helping other countries. It's as though Macron and others are saying there's a stark choice between giving up traditional identities and starting World War III.

Regarding the changing of word definitions, racism originally meant prejudice about character based on skin colour etc., but now it's also used to mean preferring one's own kind, as if that's a big sin.




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Post OsricPearl Wed 14 Nov - 3:45

Neon Knight wrote:
OsricPearl wrote:This rise of Le Penn could be the reason he went on his rant about how nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. I think it's interesting how the left likes to change the meaning of words to suit their purpose. Patriotism and Nationalism are essentially the same things, but you wouldn't know that talking to them.

Describing himself as a patriot, Macron said: “Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism. Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. In saying ‘our interests first, whatever happens to the others,’ you erase the most precious thing a nation can have, that which makes it live, that which causes it to be great and that which is most important: its moral values. Old demons are resurfacing. History sometimes threatens to take its tragic course again and compromise our hope of peace. Let us vow to prioritise peace over everything.”
(The Guardian, Nov 11th)

And they always paint nationalism as necessarily an extreme position. But putting your own country first obviously doesn't mean you stop cooperating with and helping other countries. It's as though Macron and others are saying there's a stark choice between giving up traditional identities and starting World War III.

Regarding the changing of word definitions, racism originally meant prejudice about character based on skin colour etc, but now it's also used to mean preferring one's own kind, as if that's a big sin.

Yes, they are even making cute little pictures explaining the differences, as though we don't have dictionaries.

As for racism, here in the US, the word is made to signify "power plus prejudice." This lets minorities off the hook, as it creates the idea that they can't be racist because they have no "institutional power." But that's an obvious farce, as whites in South Africa have very little institutional power despite still having a great deal of wealth. I suppose they can rest easy that they can't be racists anymore...oh wait..

Another one is "Minority." Minority used to mean, fewer in number. Now, it means "less institutional power." So, women become 'minorities' regardless of race even though that's bunk. And whites are forever a "majority" because it's not about numbers anymore.

A whole thread could be made about how many words those people have changed throughout the decades. The tragic thing, is that the institutional conservatives, the "Buckleyites," gave in every time.

He who defines the terms sets the tone of debate.
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Post Neon Knight Wed 14 Nov - 18:16

I see two main causes for the current cosmopolitian climate in Westen politics:

1) In Europe, a reaction against World War II and the Holocaust
2) In America, an exaggeration of the Civil Rights movement.

In both cases, I think there as been an over-reaction in a neurotic way; kind of like a person might develop a social phobia from just one bad experience. The European Union and anti-discrimination laws began with good intentions but they've become stretched to a ridiculous length.

We might be able to throw in the decline of traditional religion and feminism as well as major contributors.




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Post Neon Knight Wed 17 Feb - 8:33

https://www.politico.eu/article/marine-le-pen-return-france-elections-national-rally/ Quoting:

PARIS — Marine Le Pen has never been closer to seizing power in France than she is now.

Despite having kept a somewhat low profile in recent months, the leader of the far-right National Rally has reason to be confident. Early polls show her not only reaching a run-off round against President Emmanuel Macron in 2022, but winning a larger share of the vote than ever before. The implication — worrying to Macron’s allies — is that the tactical voting which has always worked to keep the Le Pens out of the highest office may no longer be enough. But as she edges closer to the goal, the question remains whether she will be able to maintain her momentum and break through the barriers that have so far held her back . . .

In recent months, Le Pen has struggled to find a voice. With the French government occupying most of the political space during the coronavirus crisis, some have questioned her level of energy in a party that has always relied heavily on its leader’s charisma. “Marine is a trooper — when she is in, she is fully in,” [a] National Rally official said. “Deep down, is she all fired up? That’s another question.”

After almost a decade at the head of her party, Le Pen remains its undisputed leader, but only because no other personality has proved skillful or ambitious enough to break her hereditary claim to the top job.

She has retreated from frontline political competition since 2017, leaving it to one of her young lieutenants to lead the 2019 campaign for the European Parliament, to better preserve her capital for the big race. She has at times invited accusations that she is distracted . . .

One of Le Pen’s advantages is her ability to make connections during campaigns stops, spending hours mingling with crowds in the depressed northern towns that have become her political home. “Her strength is that she is a star,” said Franck Allisio, a close adviser to Le Pen and a regional councilor in the Marseille region . . . For much of the coming year, up-close-and-personal campaigning will be difficult, if not impossible. So Le Pen can ill-afford to fumble her TV appearances.

Despite her difficulties, however, Le Pen’s fortunes seem to be turning around. An Ipsos poll last week put support for the far-right leader at 26% during the first round of the 2022 presidential election — with small variations depending on the line-up — and ahead of Macron in most scenarios. A Harris Interactive poll from the week before yielded similar results. That’s five percentage points ahead of her first-round result during the 2017 election. The Ipsos poll also put her at 44% against 56% for Macron in the second round, compared with 34 to 66 in 2017. Second-round data leaked from the Harris Interactive poll predicting an even smaller gap, of 52 to 48, became the talk of the town in Paris. (Harris Interactive declined to comment on the unpublished data.)

Even if polls so far ahead of the election are to be taken with a pinch of salt, pollsters say the fundamentals for Le Pen are strong. The National Rally has “extremely consolidated electorates, strong and quite stable over time,” said Jean-Daniel Lévy, department director for politics and opinion at Harris Interactive.

A wave of terror attacks last year and the ensuing debate about France’s integration model has also played to Le Pen’s strengths, despite her mostly being outflanked and overshadowed by Macron’s ambitious interior minister . . . Macron too has gone big on the issue, with a plan to fight Islamist radicalism, including a bill being debated in Parliament. The result has contributed to a sense of staleness around Le Pen’s third presidential bid. Having abandoned Frexit and some of the incendiary tone that characterized her party’s earlier stances, her group no longer offers voters a simple “unique selling point” setting it apart from mainstream rivals. She has achieved her goal of normalizing the National Rally — if perhaps too successfully. “Now we’re labeled ‘populists,’ not far right, which is better,” said conservative turned National Rally MEP Thierry Mariani. “She isn’t scaring people off any more.”

Signaling a desire to reclaim the issue of migration, Le Pen last week said she intended to focus on it as top priority if she were to be elected. “My first decision will be to keep immigration under control … by taking back control of our borders, of our visa policy,” she told BFMTV. “I will change citizenship rules [currently based on place of birth] so that French citizenship is either inherited or deserved.” . . .

Le Pen will also have to keep a close watch on some of her former allies, including her niece Marion Maréchal, who is only semi-retired from frontline politics. “Marion is suspected of preparing the post-[Marine Le Pen], of preparing for a failure of Marine Le Pen,” the official said. “It creates a permanent state of tension. Her every move is watched either by Marine or by her closest aides.”




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Post Neon Knight Fri 8 Jul - 0:28

On 24th April, Marine Le Pen was defeated in the presidential election by Emannual Macron by 58.55% to 41.45%. Two months later, however . . .

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-10934285/Le-Pen-Huge-gains-French-parliament-seismic-event.html  Quoting:


Far-right leader Marine Le Pen has said her party’s extraordinary surge in the country’s parliamentary election is a “historic victory” and a “seismic event” in French politics. Many voters in Sunday’s poll opted for far-right or far-left candidates, denying President Emmanuel Macron’s centrist alliance a straight majority in the National Assembly.

Ms Le Pen’s National Rally got 89 seats (15% of the total on 17% of the overall vote) in the 577-member parliament, up from a previous total of eight. On the other side of the political spectrum, the leftist Nupes coalition, led by hardliner Jean-Luc Melenchon, won 131 seats (23%) to become the main opposition force. Mr Macron’s centrist alliance Together! won the most seats – 245 (42%) – but fell 44 seats short of a straight majority in the National Assembly, France’s most powerful house of parliament.

The outcome of the legislative election is highly unusual in France and the strong performance of both Ms Le Pen’s National Rally and Mr Melenchon’s coalition – composed of his own hard-left party, France Unbowed, the Socialists, Greens and Communists – will make it harder for Mr Macron to implement the agenda he was re-elected on in May, including tax cuts and raising France’s retirement age from 62 to 65.

“Macron is a minority president now. … His retirement reform plan is buried,” a beaming Ms Le Pen declared on Monday in Henin-Beaumont, her stronghold in northern France, where she was re-elected for another five-year term in the parliament. “It’s a historic victory (…) a seismic event.” She told reporters: “We are entering the parliament as a very strong group and as such we will claim every post that belongs to us.”

As the biggest single party in the parliament – Mr Macron and Mr Melenchon both lead coalitions – she said National Rally will seek to chair the parliament’s powerful finance committee, one of the eight commissions that oversee the national budget.

Prime minister Elisabeth Borne suggested on Sunday evening that Mr Macron’s alliance will seek to find “good compromises” with legislators from diverse political forces. Mr Macron himself has not commented on the elections’ results yet. His government will still have the ability to rule, but only by bargaining with legislators.

The centrists could try to negotiate on a case-by-case basis with legislators from the centre-left and from the conservative party – with the goal of preventing opposition legislators from being numerous enough to reject the proposed measures. The government could also occasionally use a special measure provided by the French constitution to adopt a law without a vote. A similar situation happened in 1988 under Socialist president Francois Mitterrand, who then had to seek support from the Communists or the centrists to pass laws.




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