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Post OsricPearl on Wed 9 Jan - 19:06

President Trump has shut down the government to demand that Congress pays 5 b. to pay for a border wall (fence) in the Southern US border.

Many services are about to be shut down, including welfare and SNAP (food stamps). I hope that he sticks to his guns and doesn't cave.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/08/donald-trump-people-build-walls-because-they-love-the-people-on-the-inside/

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Post Neon Knight on Thu 10 Jan - 0:19

I don't understand why the whole Government has to shut down over a single issue. Can they not just vote on it then move on to other things? They are elected to make informed decisions.




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Post Sary on Thu 10 Jan - 23:46

This is very unfair to all of the Federal workers that are not getting a pay check this week. People have bills to pay, more so, right after Christmas. Not everyone has the luxury of a big fat savings account.
Shame on Trump. When he was running for POTUS, he said that Mexico would pay for this wall.
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Post Neon Knight on Sat 12 Jan - 0:08

I see it's a partial shutdown. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46844603

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/17AF6/production/_105141079_us_shutdown_11_jan-nc.png

However, it sounds like a clumsy system; why not allow funding for all the other things that have nothing to do with the wall?

But on the issue of the wall itself, as an observer, I support building it or something that will be effective in helping stem illegal immigration. Somewhat harsh measures will have to be taken sooner or later.


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Post OsricPearl on Sat 12 Jan - 3:49

@Neon Knight wrote:I don't understand why the whole Government has to shut down over a single issue. Can they not just vote on it then move on to other things? They are elected to make informed decisions.

It's to force the issue. I am hoping that they build it. Most people don't realize that part of the US/Mexico border is already walled anyway.
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Post Neon Knight on Sun 20 Jan - 18:58

https://unherd.com/2019/01/americas-gridlock-isnt-about-trump/

"Want to understand America’s political dysfunction? Then get outside your traditional mindset. The world’s superpower isn’t gridlocked and fractious because of President Trump or the split control of Congress. It’s increasingly unable to act decisively because no one has figured out how to navigate its seven-party politics.

That’s right – seven parties, not two. Beneath the surface, there are seven distinct factions which in any nation with proportional representation would be separate parties. And we know how hard it is to create working governments in those cases – just look at the recent examples of Sweden, Germany, and the Netherlands. Once one unlocks the structure of America’s true party system, its difficulties are much easier to grasp . . ."




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Post OsricPearl on Mon 21 Jan - 18:28

@Neon Knight wrote:https://unherd.com/2019/01/americas-gridlock-isnt-about-trump/

"Want to understand America’s political dysfunction? Then get outside your traditional mindset. The world’s superpower isn’t gridlocked and fractious because of President Trump or the split control of Congress. It’s increasingly unable to act decisively because no one has figured out how to navigate its seven-party politics.

That’s right – seven parties, not two. Beneath the surface, there are seven distinct factions which in any nation with proportional representation would be separate parties. And we know how hard it is to create working governments in those cases – just look at the recent examples of Sweden, Germany, and the Netherlands. Once one unlocks the structure of America’s true party system, its difficulties are much easier to grasp . . ."

That's very true. Both parties claim to be "big tent' But the truth is that they're barely keeping together a fractured coalition of like-minded individuals.
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