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Brexit Saga Update
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Re: Brexit Saga Update
Neon Knight wrote:I dunno. You gave yourself 9/10 for compassion, so either it's not bad or you're having your 10% psycho timeOsricPearl wrote:Is it bad that I think this is funny?Neon Knight wrote:They've voted for a motion to rule out a no-deal exit at any time. However, this does not change the legal situation of a no-deal exit occurring on March 29th unless the exit is delayed. Tomorrow they will vote on asking the EU for such an extension, either a short or long one.
Theresa May has half lost her voice and one minister resigned.
BBC: "UK MPs have voted by 412 to 202 for Prime Minister Theresa May to ask the EU for a delay to Brexit. It means the UK may not now leave on 29th March as previously planned. Mrs May says Brexit could be delayed by three months, to 30th June, if MPs back her withdrawal deal in a vote next week. If they reject her deal again then she says she will seek a longer extension - but any delay has to be agreed by the 27 other EU member states."
Compassion is reserved only to those deserving of it.
Now, they're just trying to delay it as much as possible. I'm calling it now, NO Brexit will be done.
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^ Richard Littlejohn seems to agree:
"Be in no doubt that what we are witnessing is a coup against the people. There may not be tanks on the streets, but it’s a coup all the same. A few hundred MPs have decided to defy the will of the 17,410,742 British citizens who voted to leave the EU. It was the largest number of people to have voted for anything in our proud history.
But the majority of ‘Hon members’ have been determined to overturn the referendum result, despite repeatedly promising to ‘respect’ it. The electorate is being treated with undisguised contempt. If they get away with it — which they probably will — Britain will have ceased to be a proper democracy.
. . . Why bother with a second referendum or, even, a General Election? We’ve had both in the past three years and the politicians have simply ignored promises they made at the time. The referendum gave a clear instruction to Leave. At the election, 85 per cent of people voted for parties who promised to respect the referendum result. Yet the overwhelming majority of MPs no longer feel it necessary to honour their manifesto commitments. Once inside the Westminster bubble, they think they can behave as they like, and to blazes with the people who pay their wages.
This isn’t representative government, it’s revolution. Parliament has rebelled against the people. And for what? They’ve taken back control so they can sub-contract it out to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. Whatever happens now, our democracy is broken. Like Humpty Dumpty, it’s going to be a hell of a job to put it back together again."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6811439/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Democracy-gone-Humpty-Dumpty.html
"Be in no doubt that what we are witnessing is a coup against the people. There may not be tanks on the streets, but it’s a coup all the same. A few hundred MPs have decided to defy the will of the 17,410,742 British citizens who voted to leave the EU. It was the largest number of people to have voted for anything in our proud history.
But the majority of ‘Hon members’ have been determined to overturn the referendum result, despite repeatedly promising to ‘respect’ it. The electorate is being treated with undisguised contempt. If they get away with it — which they probably will — Britain will have ceased to be a proper democracy.
. . . Why bother with a second referendum or, even, a General Election? We’ve had both in the past three years and the politicians have simply ignored promises they made at the time. The referendum gave a clear instruction to Leave. At the election, 85 per cent of people voted for parties who promised to respect the referendum result. Yet the overwhelming majority of MPs no longer feel it necessary to honour their manifesto commitments. Once inside the Westminster bubble, they think they can behave as they like, and to blazes with the people who pay their wages.
This isn’t representative government, it’s revolution. Parliament has rebelled against the people. And for what? They’ve taken back control so they can sub-contract it out to unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. Whatever happens now, our democracy is broken. Like Humpty Dumpty, it’s going to be a hell of a job to put it back together again."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-6811439/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Democracy-gone-Humpty-Dumpty.html
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
Re: Brexit Saga Update
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
Re: Brexit Saga Update
I was reading about how some people in the UK are preparing themselves for possible shortages of food, energy, medicine ect. that may happen post Brexit.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/world/europe/brexit-preppers-united-kingdom.amp.html
I would not be surprised if the people that are prepping, are from the same demographic that support Brexit.
It is a very good idea to hope for the best, but to expect the worst. I would definitely be stockpiling basic necessities, if I was in that situation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/10/16/world/europe/brexit-preppers-united-kingdom.amp.html
I would not be surprised if the people that are prepping, are from the same demographic that support Brexit.
It is a very good idea to hope for the best, but to expect the worst. I would definitely be stockpiling basic necessities, if I was in that situation.
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Re: Brexit Saga Update
Leaving the EU has now been put forward to 31st October. So we will probably take part in the European Parliament elections from 23rd May. Should be interesting.
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
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Re: Brexit Saga Update
This is the sister of a well known Conservative politician (Jacob Rees-Mogg) who has joined Nigel Farage's new Brexit Party:
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
Re: Brexit Saga Update
We'll know who the new Prime Minister is in just over three weeks, so no more progress on Brexit can be made till then.
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
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As you probably know, Boris Johnson is now officially the Prime Minister. He says Britain will leave the EU by the 31st of October even if he has to suspend Parliament to do it. The political commenters in the papers think that would be too radical a tactic and so will probably not be used. It's hard to see how a change of PM will make the task any easier, but it's going to be entertaining. I think it will probably lead to a General Election in a few months.
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
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You've probably heard of the 'Irish Backstop' issue with regard to Brexit. It goes like this:
Northern Ireland (UK) and the Republic of Ireland are separate nation states so, naturally there would normally be a border bewtween the two with security checks.
Also, because both countries are in the EU customs union, there has been no need for customs checks on the border. But when Britain leaves the EU, such customs checks will become necessary. The EU and Ireland said that this was unacceptable because it would encourage a return to conflict, so they put a clause in the EU Withdrawal Agreement that Britain must stay in the EU customs union until a way of avoiding checks is found. Enough Conservative MPs objected to this restriction that the Withdrawal Agreement was rejected three times. The irony is, if Britain leaves the EU without an agreement ('no deal') then border checks will become likely anyway.
Many see this Irish Backstop issue as a ploy to keep Britain in the EU, which it probably is. There's an argument that having customs checks would violate the Good Friday Agreement, but this is false:
So what's the problem with having customs checks, which most countries do? It's an emotional issue. Without any border checks, the Republicans, north and south can pretend there is a united Ireland, but official checks would shatter that illusion. Some say this would provoke the paramilitaries to start shooting and bombing again, but they would obviously have no justification for that. It all amounts to Britain being blackmailed by the threat of terrorism to accept a major restriction on sovereignty.
Northern Ireland (UK) and the Republic of Ireland are separate nation states so, naturally there would normally be a border bewtween the two with security checks.
During the Troubles there were heavily fortified army barracks, police stations and watchtowers along the border. They were frequently attacked by Republican paramilitaries. Part of the peace deal [the Good Friday Agreement, 1999] involved the UK government agreeing to a process of removing those installations in what became known as "demilitarisation" (BBC).
Also, because both countries are in the EU customs union, there has been no need for customs checks on the border. But when Britain leaves the EU, such customs checks will become necessary. The EU and Ireland said that this was unacceptable because it would encourage a return to conflict, so they put a clause in the EU Withdrawal Agreement that Britain must stay in the EU customs union until a way of avoiding checks is found. Enough Conservative MPs objected to this restriction that the Withdrawal Agreement was rejected three times. The irony is, if Britain leaves the EU without an agreement ('no deal') then border checks will become likely anyway.
Many see this Irish Backstop issue as a ploy to keep Britain in the EU, which it probably is. There's an argument that having customs checks would violate the Good Friday Agreement, but this is false:
There is no explicit commitment to never harden the border, and there is nothing about customs posts or regulatory controls. (BBC)
So what's the problem with having customs checks, which most countries do? It's an emotional issue. Without any border checks, the Republicans, north and south can pretend there is a united Ireland, but official checks would shatter that illusion. Some say this would provoke the paramilitaries to start shooting and bombing again, but they would obviously have no justification for that. It all amounts to Britain being blackmailed by the threat of terrorism to accept a major restriction on sovereignty.
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
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On Monday we'll know if the Remainer MPs have managed to block the possiblity of a 'No Deal' exit for the time being. If they have, there'll probably be a vote that night on holding a general election. A tangled skein!
An interesting comment on the Guardian website:
An interesting comment on the Guardian website:
The reason I voted for BREXIT is because it was the only option I had. All the main parties had the same "screw the working classes" policy on the EU and immigration. For nearly 20 years, trying to get the ruling class to build homes and recruit doctors has failed.
My only option was to take away their toys and smash them. I don't think BREXIT will be destructive but if it is, their whining indicates that it will hurt them as much or more than it hurts me. I'm already screwed so I don't care. They can have some of what I've had for the past two decades. I was patient. I gave them the chance.
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
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The Prime Minister will now have to request another extension to the date for leaving the EU if a deal isn't agreed by October 31st, and there will be no general election before then.
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
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This is like something from the lead-up to the English Civil War
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
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It's beginning to look to me as though there will never be an exit at all. It's pretty sad because there was a referendum and people should honor that.
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Re: Brexit Saga Update
Tonight, the House of Commons (= U.S. House of Reps.) finally voted for the EU Withdrawal Agreement mainly negotiated under Theresa May and recently altered by Boris Johnson. That now has to be agreed to by the House of Lords (similar to the U.S. Senate) which it probably will be. But the MPs (Members of Parliament) also voted for more time to debate the Agreement and so we will now have to wait to see if the EU grants an extension to the leaving date of Oct 31st. Boris & co. don't want that because it would give opposition and rebel MPs chance to amend the ageement and change it to something weaker.
Between the velvet lies, there's a truth that's hard as steel
The vision never dies, life's a never ending wheel - R.J.Dio
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