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Post OsricPearl on Tue 13 Feb - 15:56



I generally like some of what they say, but when I hear them talk about science, it makes cringe. Check out what they say about European origins starting at 10.
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Post Neon Knight on Wed 14 Feb - 0:43

Lana dismisses the scientific claims without properly considering them and generally doesn't seem to know much about the subject. Henrik makes some mistakes about European origins, like you say, but he does make some good points:

* Nothing can be concluded from just a single subject (dah!).
* It's questionable whether skin can change from dark to light in 4000 years (referring to the Ice Man).
* Racial identity isn't just about skin colour.
* Whatever the prehistoric origins of Britons and Europeans, it's what we are now that matters.

Other key points about Cheddar Man:

* There was no Great Britain and hence no Britons 10,000 years ago because it was still connected to the Continent.
* He's only 10% related to modern Britons.
* There's a 1 in 4 chance he was white after all.

On the politics surrounding this, I don't know why some people seem to think that what Britons might have looked like 10,000 years ago has any bearing on present political issues or present racial identity. I've never been particularly interested in what happened before the Iron Age Celts of about 2500 years ago and the idea that we should relate to ancestors as far back as 10,000 years is ridiculous.


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Post Neon Knight on Wed 14 Feb - 13:55

I also don't see the point in inisisting that white people came from Neanderthals against the main Out of Africa theory. All living things are related if we go far back enough in time. The origin of something is not the same as what the thing eventually becomes. Each dog breed has its own identity, we don't think of all dogs as being simply wolves.


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Post OsricPearl on Thu 15 Feb - 15:43

@Neon Knight wrote:Lana dismisses the scientific claims without properly considering them and generally doesn't seem to know much about the subject. Henrik makes some mistakes about European origins, like you say, but he does make some good points:

* Nothing can be concluded from just a single subject (dah!).
* It's questionable whether skin can change from dark to light in 4000 years (referring to the Ice Man).
* Racial identity isn't just about skin colour.
* Whatever the prehistoric origins of Britons and Europeans, it's what we are now that matters.

Other key points about Cheddar Man:

* There was no Great Britain and hence no Britons 10,000 years ago because it was still connected to the Continent.
* He's only 10% related to modern Britons.
* There's a 1 in 4 chance he was white after all.

On the politics surrounding this, I don't know why some people seem to think that what Britons might have looked like 10,000 years ago has any bearing on present political issues or present racial identity. I've never been particularly interested in what happened before the Iron Age Celts of about 2500 years ago and the idea that we should relate to ancestors as far back as 10,000 years is ridiculous.


I think the item I emphasized is what's important here. They were WHG, no more, no less. My father's haplogroup is WHG, I am happy about that, but it also is only a small part of my ancestry.

My issue with what they're saying, is that it takes away from all their good points. If he can't even present an opposing argument accurately, then how can we trust him in anything else? He looses credibility. He skips over the Neolithic Farmers and adds Denisovan in there, which as far as I know, isn't part of the European makeup.

They're a married couple, and Lana seems to worship the ground he walks on. Which is cute, but it means that she never challenges him in anything. Very Happy

I agree with what you say in all points, as usual. Smile 1
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Re: Red Ice Radio peddles junk science

Post Neon Knight on Thu 15 Feb - 18:13

I didn't know they were married. Yeah, they (and others on their side) quite often use weak arguments which some liberal intellectual will then tear apart. But all they have to do is stick to the facts and state their identitarian values against stuff like this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/cheddar-man-latest-somerset-racial-identity-brexit-donald-trump-meghan-markle-a8199341.html

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