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Post Jehan I on Sun 1 Oct - 19:43

Operation sentinelle cost 1 millions of euros a day! => 365 millions
wall near the Eiffel tower 20 millions of euros

Since the attack of January attack + 245 millions (by years more policement and materials)
After november attack                 +  320 millions (by years for more policemen)


                                            => 950 millions

http://www.lci.fr/conso-argent/combien-coute-la-lutte-anti-terrorisme-1536355.html
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Post Neon Knight on Sun 1 Oct - 20:41

Yeah. Although the chance of being harmed by terrorism is very low, it's easy to forget how much time and effort goes into keeping it down. The West could do without that cost.

But I notice in that article it says the U.S. spends ten times more on anti-terrorist measures than France. That is a great difference and I wonder what exactly they are doing.

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Post Jehan I on Sun 1 Oct - 22:01

@Neon Knight wrote:Yeah. Although the chance of being harmed by terrorism is very low, it's easy to forget how much time and effort goes into keeping it down. The West could do without that cost.

But I notice in that article it says the U.S. spends ten times more on anti-terrorist measures than France. That is a great difference and I wonder what exactly they are doing.


I wonder too.
They don't really explain it. I suppose they take in account some counter terrorism operation abroad.
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Post Sary on Fri 6 Oct - 2:38

The United States is a much larger country than France,so that would naturally account for a higher amount of money going towards anti terrorism.
But yes,I wonder too where all of the hard earned money that I pay in taxes goes towards. It is a shame that so much of it funneled into wars and national security,I would much rather see my tax dollars go to science and technology.

The recent Las Vagas attack ,carried out by a fellow American,targeting innocent people is disgusting. How does a country protect its self from its own citizens?

Are we growing our own terrorists ,or are people more prone to mental illness becoming psychopaths ?

I think that the media,Hollywood with all of its violence and gore ,guns ,killing,glorified in TV and movies now mix that in with drugs ,illegal as well as prescription ,the breakdown of traditional families and religion. It is obvious what is happening,but how do you stop it,turn it around,like a speeding train

Most people feel that it will only get worse.

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Post Neon Knight on Fri 6 Oct - 13:28

@Sary wrote:The United States is a much larger country than France,so that would naturally account for a higher amount of money going towards anti terrorism.
But yes,I wonder too where all of the hard earned money that I pay in taxes goes towards.  It is a shame that so much of it funneled into wars and national security,I would much rather see my tax dollars go to science and technology.

The recent Las Vagas attack ,carried out by a fellow American,targeting innocent people is disgusting. How does a country protect its self from its own citizens?

The main argument I've heard for gun ownership from Americans is that it is necessary for citizens to protect themselves in the event of a future hostile government. That sounds rather paranoid to me. Where do you stand on the issue? Many Americans seem to have a kind of religious attachment to gun rights - something much more emotional than rational.

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Post Sary on Sat 7 Oct - 1:06

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@Sary wrote:The United States is a much larger country than France,so that would naturally account for a higher amount of money going towards anti terrorism.
But yes,I wonder too where all of the hard earned money that I pay in taxes goes towards.  It is a shame that so much of it funneled into wars and national security,I would much rather see my tax dollars go to science and technology.

The recent Las Vagas attack ,carried out by a fellow American,targeting innocent people is disgusting. How does a country protect its self from its own citizens?

The main argument I've heard for gun ownership from Americans is that it is necessary for citizens to protect themselves in the event of a future hostile government. That sounds rather paranoid to me. Where do you stand on the issue? Many Americans seem to have a kind of religious attachment to gun rights - something much more emotional than rational.

There are no guns in our house,my husband is not "gun kinda guy" sometimes I wish that he was. Yes I am paranoid,especially in big cities ,when I am around a lot of people.
I don't trust the government and I am wary of most people.

In God we trust. That sounds right to me.
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Post Neon Knight on Sat 7 Oct - 2:33

@Sary wrote:The recent Las Vagas attack ,carried out by a fellow American, targeting innocent people is disgusting. How does a country protect its self from its own citizens?

Are we growing our own terrorists, or are people more prone to mental illness becoming psychopaths ?

I think that the media, Hollywood with all of its violence  and gore, guns, killing, glorified in TV and movies now mix that in with drugs, illegal as well as prescription, the breakdown of traditional families and religion. It is obvious what is happening, but how do you stop it, turn it around, like a speeding train

Most people feel that it will only get worse.

To your list I would add the over-use of technology which is causing more individualism as well as damaging the environment. I don't see religion making a come-back in the face of all our scientific knowledge. But politics is the art of the possible, so let's consider a batch of solutions:

* Increase censorship standards for films and TV programmes.
* Restrict immigration much more (dah!) while introducing 'family friendly' work and tax policies.
* Identify and sterilise girls who would not be fit to raise children.
* Experiment with legalising drugs to see if it reduces crime. If it doesn't then have a mininum 5 year prison sentence for dealers in dangerous drigs. [Edited]
* Limit car ownership to one per household, with exceptions for houses where people work for the emergency services.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_car_on_societies
* Stop the lending and borrowing debt culture.
* Put high taxes on mobile phones to make them a true luxury.
* Ban wi-fi transmitters and/or broadband to slow down the internet, make it less appealing in general and reduce use of social media.

This would all take great political will, of course - a moral revolution. But either we care or we don't.

EDIT: Some of these changes could be made gradually, of course, to give chance for adjustment.


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Post Sary on Mon 9 Oct - 14:43

My goodness Neon Knight,that is a whole lot of rules and regulations!

Sterilize unfit girls......that sounds like eugenics to me,like what the nazis were attempting to do. Limiting technology ,more taxes and censorship that will surely take away freedoms,make for an oppressive society.

What would the benefits be ,for the people,living in country with so many rules and laws?
Do you envision that if all of the laws were implemented and people obeyed that this will be a pleasant place to live and raise a family?
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Post Neon Knight on Mon 9 Oct - 19:29

@Sary wrote:My goodness Neon Knight,that is a whole lot of rules and regulations!

Sterilize unfit girls......that sounds like eugenics to me,like what the nazis were attempting to do.  Limiting technology ,more taxes and censorship that will surely take away freedoms, make for an oppressive society.

What would the benefits be, for the people, living in country with so many rules and laws?
Do you envision that if all of the laws were implemented and people obeyed that this will be a pleasant place to live and raise a family?

I was just trying to answer your question of how to stop things getting worse and turn them back. I don't see those rules making for an oppressive society but for a simpler one with less stress and more socialisation. I wouldn't force unfit girls to be sterilised but would give them large money incentives to accept it. Girls like that nearly always end up having children with irresponsible boys and those children grow up to be criminals or drug addicts. That process has to be stopped.

If you don't like the Holywood violence culture then why not tougher censorship? I'm not talking about going back to the prudish standards of the 1950s but the moderate ones of, say, the 1970s. Same with technology. There would still be advanced computer games, e-mail and internet shopping but less incentive to spend loads of time on social media. Think what it was like around 2000 before it all went crazy with all the porn and TwitterBook stuff.

It seems obvious to me that a large % of people are not capable of making wise lifestyle choices. And those who are capable can find it hard to escape the materialistic, digital, consumer culture when everything is geared to it.

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Post Magyar Lány on Mon 9 Oct - 23:28

@Neon Knight wrote:
@Sary wrote:The recent Las Vagas attack ,carried out by a fellow American, targeting innocent people is disgusting. How does a country protect its self from its own citizens?

Are we growing our own terrorists, or are people more prone to mental illness becoming psychopaths ?

I think that the media, Hollywood with all of its violence  and gore, guns, killing, glorified in TV and movies now mix that in with drugs, illegal as well as prescription, the breakdown of traditional families and religion. It is obvious what is happening, but how do you stop it, turn it around, like a speeding train

Most people feel that it will only get worse.

To your list I would add the over-use of technology which is causing more individualism as well as damaging the environment. I don't see religion making a come-back in the face of all our scientific knowledge. But politics is the art of the possible, so let's consider a batch of solutions:

* Increase censorship standards for films and TV programmes.
* Restrict immigration much more (dah!) while introducing 'family friendly' work and tax policies.
* Identify and sterilise girls who would not be fit to raise children.
* Experiment with legalising drugs to see if it reduces crime. If it doesn't then start executing drug dealers, big and small.
* Limit car ownership to one per household, with exceptions for houses where people work for the emergency services.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_car_on_societies
* Stop the lending and borrowing debt culture.
* Put high taxes on mobile phones to make them a true luxury.
* Ban wi-fi transmitters and/or broadband to slow down the internet, make it less appealing in general and reduce use of social media.

This would all take great political will, of course - a moral revolution. But either we care or we don't.

EDIT: Some of these changes could be made gradually, of course, to give chance for adjustment.

OMG This list is really shocking. If I would be a writer this would be a great material for a distopia. Btw. what will happen to the unfit boys? Some of them will be an agressive or abusive father. (I hope I didn't write any offending to you).

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Post Sary on Mon 9 Oct - 23:52

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@Sary wrote:My goodness Neon Knight,that is a whole lot of rules and regulations!

Sterilize unfit girls......that sounds like eugenics to me,like what the nazis were attempting to do.  Limiting technology ,more taxes and censorship that will surely take away freedoms, make for an oppressive society.

What would the benefits be, for the people, living in country with so many rules and laws?
Do you envision that if all of the laws were implemented and people obeyed that this will be a pleasant place to live and raise a family?

I was just trying to answer your question of how to stop things getting worse and turn them back. I don't see those rules making for an oppressive society but for a simpler one with less stress and more socialisation. I wouldn't force unfit girls to be sterilised but would give them large money incentives to accept it. Girls like that nearly always end up having children with irresponsible boys and those children grow up to be criminals or drug addicts. That process has to be stopped.

If you don't like the Holywood violence culture then why not tougher censorship? I'm not talking about going back to the prudish standards of the 1950s but the moderate ones of, say, the 1970s. Same with technology. There would still be advanced computer games, e-mail and internet shopping but less incentive to spend loads of time on social media. Think what it was like around 2000 before it all went crazy with all the porn and TwitterBook stuff.

It seems obvious to me that a large % of people are not capable of making wise lifestyle choices. And those who are capable can find it hard to escape the materialistic, digital, consumer culture when everything is geared to it.

You speak the truth,on many of the problems facing society.  I personally would probably have no trouble living in that type of world.
I just don't think that type of society would be exceptable to the majority of people.  A lot of what you propose is old fashioned,patriarchal. how you can close the door now,and go back to the way things use to be. The change has already happened. Mostly all for the worst . It would require a very strong leader to turn things around at this point.
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Post Neon Knight on Tue 10 Oct - 0:37

@Sary wrote:You speak the truth,on many of the problems facing society.  I personally would probably have no trouble living in that type of world.

I just don't think that type of society would be exceptable to the majority of people.  A lot of what you propose is old fashioned,patriarchal. how you can close the door now, and go back to the way things use to be. The change has already happened. Mostly all for the worst.  It would require a very strong leader to turn things around at this point.
Old fashioned is the point really (though I don't see it as patriarchal). Modernisation has gone too far, giving us an environment that we are not properly evolved for, hence all the emotional and mental illness. You're probably right though - most people don't have the will power to make the necessary short term sacrifices. If anything kick-starts a change it will probably be a great environmental disaster or two.

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Post Neon Knight on Tue 10 Oct - 1:20

magyar_lány wrote:OMG This list is really shocking. If I would be a writer this would be a great material for a distopia. Btw. what will happen to the unfit boys? Some of them will be an agressive or abusive father. (I hope I didn't write any offending to you).

No, you didn't offend me; you must feel free to speak your mind. I am surprised at your reaction though.

At first I thought you meant the effect of cars on society was shocking. But you meant my policy proposals. All of them? I'll tell you what I think is shocking:

* The degree of violence and gore in films and games that most teenagers and some children get to see. Some of what used to be given an 18 certificate is now passed for 15 year olds.

* Mass immigration to countries which are already over-crowded and polluted.

* Men fathering children then abandoning them, not realising their great responsibility. Many of those children predictably growing up into criminals or drug takers. Maybe you did not have any teenage delinquents in your schools? I had some in mine and they were not pleasant to be around. And, as I said, the irresponsible girls who associate with them. Yes, the boys are just as guilty, but mathemtically/practically it makes more sense to sterilise the girls. Like I made clear, they would not be forced but offered money to accept it, maybe not permanent sterilisation but for about 12 years until they are more responsible.

* All the crime that arises from drug dealing, the dealers not caring about the misery they are causing. But I did say here that a liberal policy of legalising drugs should be tried first.

* The deaths, injuries and pollution caused by cars.

* People being encouraged by banks and businesses to go into debt, often to buy things they don't need.

Internet use and mobile phones are a mixed blessing but I do think they are helping to dumb-down society and no harm would come from making all the digital stuff less available.

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