Re: A flag to represent European people?

Sary on Mon 4 Sep - 20:02

@Impasible wrote:The european flag should have some pagan symbol, because paganism was the european spirituality during a very long time and surely it was original and purely european.
But paganism is very diverse with many different forms of it. (I'm not an expert about the matter though).
Any common symbol among the different forms of paganism?. I only can think about swastika, that seems a symbol present not only in ancient european paganism but all over eurasia. But it would be a problem because the stigma attached to that symbol nowadays.

It also should have some symbol related to ancient Greece and Rome, fucking imperialist and cultural genociders the latter, but the classic world mould Europe more than any other force and its influence is very visible even at present days.
A classic corintian or ionic column would be fine and defining of that element.

And of course (gloomy ) christianity has shaped Europe in the last centuries, so a cross somewhere would be fair.

So it would be a flag with a swastika (or other similar pagan symbol), a corintian column and a cross.

Any more symbols are needed or you would like to add?

About the colors I don't have much idea of what different colours mean...

I know that the color green has been used by Islam,since the days of the crusades,back then by the Fatimid caliphate . Muslims associate the color green with paradise. It is rare to see green used in a Christian flag,especially as the main color.
That is too bad because green is probably my favorite color.

Sary on Mon 4 Sep - 20:16

@Aëlwenn wrote:Wolf. European creature, weak alone but strong together, finding in all Europe, at least before his extermination.
I have saw wolf pack in Central France, very impressive and majestic.
I think European Wolf is a good thing, neutral, beautiful, pagan and Christian.

Wow Aelwenn,that must have been a little scary to see a pack of wolves in their natural habitat. I use to dream when I was child,that wolves lived under my bed. I would never let my leg dangle off,for fear that they would eat me!

I imagine that Frace is very beautiful. I hope to visit there someday.

My paternal line,my maiden name, is from Poitou-Charente ,Ruffec. I read about it,saw it on google earth. They say that the town still has a medieval feel to it.

Neon Knight on Tue 5 Sep - 0:54

@Sary wrote:
@Aëlwenn wrote:Wolf. European creature, weak alone but strong together, finding in all Europe, at least before his extermination.
I have saw wolf pack in Central France, very impressive and majestic.
I think European Wolf is a good thing, neutral, beautiful, pagan and Christian.

Wow Aelwenn,that must have been a little scary to see a pack of wolves in their natural habitat. I use to dream when I was child,that wolves lived under my bed. I would never let my leg dangle off,for fear that they would eat me!

Don't watch this film.

I used to imagine there were giant spiders down the side of my bed.

Neon Knight on Tue 5 Sep - 23:00

According to the website below there are 44 nations in Europe, so maybe we can do something with that number for a flag. But I don't really like stripes . . .

http://www.worldometers.info/geography/how-many-countries-in-europe/

Sary on Thu 7 Sep - 0:19

@Neon Knight wrote:
@Sary wrote:
@Aëlwenn wrote:Wolf. European creature, weak alone but strong together, finding in all Europe, at least before his extermination.
I have saw wolf pack in Central France, very impressive and majestic.
I think European Wolf is a good thing, neutral, beautiful, pagan and Christian.

Wow Aelwenn,that must have been a little scary to see a pack of wolves in their natural habitat. I use to dream when I was child,that wolves lived under my bed. I would never let my leg dangle off,for fear that they would eat me!
Don't watch this film.

I used to imagine there were giant spiders down the side of my bed.

The clip of company of wolves is compelling,old school scary and Angela Lansbury was a very good actress,maybe I will watch it. Halloween season will be upon us soon enough,tis the season for ghosts witches vampires and werewolves .
The fairy tales that we were told as children,are really very disturbing,lots of subliminal meanings.

Sary on Thu 7 Sep - 0:24

@Neon Knight wrote:According to the website below there are 44 nations in Europe, so maybe we can do something with that number for a flag. But I don't really like stripes . . .

http://www.worldometers.info/geography/how-many-countries-in-europe/

Well,stars are too American. How about leaves or feathers,maybe snowflakes Wink 1

Neon Knight on Thu 7 Sep - 20:27

I tried a couple of flags with 44 little crosses but they just didn't work visually. So I'll have to try stars Neutral

Also, it should probably be 45 countries since Kosovo is recognised as an independent state by most of Europe - all the nations in green below:

Spain the only Western country that doesn't recognize Kosovo. Maybe Impasible knows why.

I could use a five-pointed star to represent five nations and have nine of them. I have some designs in mind and will post them here if I think they are good enough.

Aëlwenn on Fri 8 Sep - 1:02

@Sary wrote:
@Aëlwenn wrote:Wolf. European creature, weak alone but strong together, finding in all Europe, at least before his extermination.
I have saw wolf pack in Central France, very impressive and majestic.
I think European Wolf is a good thing, neutral, beautiful, pagan and Christian.

Wow Aelwenn,that must have been a little scary to see a pack of wolves in their natural habitat. I use to dream when I was child,that wolves lived under my bed. I would never let my leg dangle off,for fear that they would eat me!

I imagine that Frace is very beautiful. I hope to visit there someday.

My paternal line,my maiden name, is from Poitou-Charente ,Ruffec. I read about it,saw it on google earth. They say that the town still has a medieval feel to it.

You welcome.
France is the image of Europe: rich and diverse, with a great variety of architectures, history and customs, different from one region to another, even in the names of cities.
Until the end of the 19th century, a large part of the population did not speak French, but regional languages from the former unified kingdoms.

The old, the historical mixes with the modern, it is the same in all the countries of Europe, which gives this region of the world this formidable particularity.

Neon Knight on Sat 9 Sep - 20:39

I did a few flags using 9 x 5-pointed stars to represent Europe. They look good but I don't think that '9 x 5 = 45' concept is clear enough.

I'm thinking now of using a modified 8-armed sun wheel to represent Europe geographically - a central disc for the continental body and the arms for the various peninsulas and islands.

Quite a nice flag they had for the European Coal and Steel Community: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Coal_and_Steel_Community

And the Paneuropean Union uses a sun cross: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paneuropean_Union

Sary on Sat 9 Sep - 22:30

What is the significance of the twelve stars surrounding the paneuropean sun cross?
The Stars arranged that way make me think of the book of revelations12:1
A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
The woman and the dragon....

It is a striking flag,indeed!

Neon Knight on Sat 9 Sep - 23:53

The stars are borrowed from the European Union flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Europe

Against the blue sky of the Western world, the stars represent the peoples of Europe in a circle, a symbol of unity. Their number shall be invariably set at twelve, the symbol of completeness and perfection.

I don't know why 12 represents perfection. 12 months?

Neon Knight on Mon 11 Sep - 0:06

Good news. I've found a 45-star version of the American flag so I might well be able to incorporate the block of stars into a European flag USA Flag 1

Nice little story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3399430/Rare-45-star-American-flag-discovered-junkyard-gifted-45th-state.html

Neon Knight on Tue 12 Sep - 20:08

Right. I've done a few more designs for a Europe flag. The symbol and colour meanings for all of them:

Forty-five stars for the 45 sovereign states of Europe (2017, inc. Kosovo, not inc.Turkey).

A cross for strength, protection and Europe's Christian heritage.

An eight-armed sun wheel symbolising nature, regeneration, progress and Europe's pagan heritage.

Green for land.
Blue for sky and sea.
Black for soil and defence.
Red for energy, lifeblood and ancestry - the people of Europe.
Gold for prosperity and longevity.
White for peace and/or spirituality

First, the two most conventional designs:

Any preference?

Sary on Tue 12 Sep - 22:28

I feel like I should not keep commenting on the castle flag design ,because I am American,but since nobody else is.....
I kinda like the last one,the other two look asymmetric and the the red and black one is reminiscent of Old Glory.

I still like the twelve stars in the circle,the crown of immortality
And the fleur de lis gold against the blue.

Neon Knight on Wed 13 Sep - 0:57

When looking at a flag in 2D it's easy to forget that it is a physical device with a direction - facing left toward the flag pole. So when you see it flying, any asymmetry in the 'picture' becomes irrelevant, like with the Nordic Cross flags:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/cd/72/e0/cd72e0a43b97cdebf49767f09b6f2523--finland-flag-cross-flag.jpg

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