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Post Neon Knight on Wed 16 Aug - 21:18

https://www.thelocal.de/20170815/far-right-afd-set-to-become-third-largest-party-in-german-parliament-poll-finds

[A] poll published by INSA and Bild on Tuesday found that the far-right AfD are on course to win 10% of the vote at the September 24th vote. That would put them in third place behind the Social Democrats (SPD) on 25% and Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats (CDU) on 37%.

The far-right party, who were set up in 2013 and have recently built popularity on their staunch criticism of Merkel’s refugee policies, are only just ahead of the competition, though. The pro-business Free Democrats (FDP) are set to win 9% of the vote, as are Die Linke (The Left Party), INSA predicts. The Green party meanwhile lags behind on 7%.

If the AfD were to become the third largest party in the Bundestag it would act as a lightning bolt striking German politics, where conservative votes have been hoovered up by the CDU and their Bavarian sister party the CSU throughout the postwar period. The AfD have caused public outrage on several occasions, with leaders being accused of anti-Semitism, racism and even Nazi sympathies based on comments they have made in public and private.

But Merkel’s decision to open the country's borders to refugees from Syria and other war-torn countries proved unpopular with many conservative voters. Meanwhile a string of terrorist attacks and mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other cities during New Year 2015/16 soured the public mood towards asylum seekers, providing the AfD with a string of state election successes in 2016.

If the AfD were to win 10 percent of the vote it would complicate coalition building after the election, as all the other parties have ruled out building a coalition with them.

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Post Neon Knight on Mon 25 Sep - 13:49

So they did better than the prediction of 10%:



http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41384550

Its success has shocked Germany's political establishment, and protests against the anti-Islam party have been held in several cities following the election result . . .

But discord is already evident in the party - with another leader, Frauke Petry, declaring at the same news conference she would not join AfD's parliamentary group despite winning a seat, before abruptly leaving the room to the surprise of other leaders.

Ms Petry, who is the best-known AfD figure, said there was "disagreement over content" in the party. The move is a sign that having won her own seat and led the party to a strong result, Ms Petry is feeling confident enough to mould it in her own image, the BBC's Damien McGuinness in Berlin says. She wants to make AfD more moderate and tone down its nationalist rhetoric, he adds.

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Post Impasible on Tue 26 Sep - 1:07

'far-right party'.

why far-right?, because they're against massive immigration and/or massive islam?

then they should be labeled as 'anti-immigration party' no?

It's clear that this is a way to try to smear the reputation of these kind of parties.

Many readers of spanish newpapers complain about the flippancy and bad intentions of mass-media labeling as 'far-right' to those kind of political parties.
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Re: AfD set to become third largest party in German parliament

Post Neon Knight on Tue 26 Sep - 2:26



I agree that the label 'far right' is misused. I don't know if it is deliberate or not, but, as Impasible says, it makes them sound uncivilised and irrational. This is what the BBC says:

"So they are best described as right-wing populist and nationalist with increasingly strong links to far-right attitudes. They are still some way from the extremism of Germany's NPD, seen by many as a neo-Nazi group."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37274201

They talk about their policies, none of which are extreme. But even the word 'extreme' is a value judgement when used in politics. Extreme situations may require extreme solutions.


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@Neon Knight wrote:https://www.thelocal.de/20170815/far-right-afd-set-to-become-third-largest-party-in-german-parliament-poll-finds

[A] poll published by INSA and Bild on Tuesday found that the far-right AfD are on course to win 10% of the vote at the September 24th vote. That would put them in third place behind the Social Democrats (SPD) on 25% and Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats (CDU) on 37%.

The far-right party, who were set up in 2013 and have recently built popularity on their staunch criticism of Merkel’s refugee policies, are only just ahead of the competition, though. The pro-business Free Democrats (FDP) are set to win 9% of the vote, as are Die Linke (The Left Party), INSA predicts. The Green party meanwhile lags behind on 7%.

If the AfD were to become the third largest party in the Bundestag it would act as a lightning bolt striking German politics, where conservative votes have been hoovered up by the CDU and their Bavarian sister party the CSU throughout the postwar period. The AfD have caused public outrage on several occasions, with leaders being accused of anti-Semitism, racism and even Nazi sympathies based on comments they have made in public and private.

But Merkel’s decision to open the country's borders to refugees from Syria and other war-torn countries proved unpopular with many conservative voters. Meanwhile a string of terrorist attacks and mass sexual assaults in Cologne and other cities during New Year 2015/16 soured the public mood towards asylum seekers, providing the AfD with a string of state election successes in 2016.

If the AfD were to win 10 percent of the vote it would complicate coalition building after the election, as all the other parties have ruled out building a coalition with them.

It was expected. I'm sure majority of Germans don't want more migrants, and they would be happy if they leave Germany. I think AfD has become so popular bc of Merkel's stupid policy.

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Post Jehan I on Fri 29 Sep - 12:08

Considering the situation, I consider the result disapointing.
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Post Neon Knight on Fri 29 Sep - 13:21

@Jehan I wrote:Considering the situation, I consider the result disapointing.
Yeah. Considering how fast the German population is changing, I would expect more concern from German voters. There is a feeling of time running out, in Germany and other countries.

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Post frankhammer on Fri 29 Sep - 18:58

People have bigger problems as they see it. Paying the mortgage or for their children's schooling. Job and economy stabilty, taxes and so forth. Most will vote for policies reflecting such concerns rather than the long-term view such as, what are we leaving behind for our grandchildren. Selfishness is part of human nature.

And then there are those who try to name and shame others who vote for these parties. Using both the media and social media to bully people into towing the line or possibly affecting their business or employment.

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Re: AfD set to become third largest party in German parliament

Post Neon Knight on Sat 30 Sep - 18:21

The Continental Europeans are supposed to be the idealists and the British the pragmatists. So if identitarian politics is not going to get any stronger in Germany, France, etc. then it is not going to make much impression at all in Britain.

We've just about got back to the stage now where "it's not racist to talk about immigration". And for a nationalist type party to stand a chance in a general election we would first have to change our voting system to a version of proportional representation. Neither the Conservative or Labour parties are keen on this because the current system works pretty well for their traditional game of taking turns in power. Tragically, many voters do not understand how important it is to change this system.

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